Tuesday, March 13, 2007

An Open letter to the City of Pelican Rapids (2)

Is It Worth It?

As I read and hear about the proposed fire hall with regards to Dunn Township, I can’t help but wonder if all the discussions and ultimatums are really worth it.

The Pelican Rapids Fire Dept is owned by the City of Pelican Rapids. For an annual fee they provide a service to the surrounding townships. We in Dunn Township have no right to tell the City of Pelican Rapids what we will pay for fire protection. They provide a service to us and we pay for that service.

The annual service is not an arbitrary figure that the city sets each year. It is determined by a contract established long before Mr. Johnson was elected to his position as Dunn Township Supervisor. If Dunn wishes to pay the price of fire protection they can. If not, they need to get protection somewhere else.

If Dunn decides to get fire protection some where else, Detroit Lakes, Vergas, Barnesville, etc., it has to cause delays in protection. Will that delay allow for increased damage? Maybe spread to the next house or building? Will that delay result in death or some similar tragedy?

The big question to me is why all the arguments and threats? Has anyone looked at the cost per Dunn property owner? It is certainly not worth risking a 5 – 10 minute delay in getting firefighters to the scene.

To help build the fire hall as it is now planned, it would cost the Dunn Township owner of a $100,000 home $4.56 per year to be a part of the process. A $200,000 home would pay $9.24 per year and a $500,000 piece of property would pay a whopping $22.80 per year for a new fire building. This is hardly breaking the bank for Dunn Township residents.

Mike Johnson has proposed that the City of Pelican Rapids pay for $500,000 or half of the million dollar price tag and the townships will pay for the remainder. Dunn’s share of the remaining $500,000 would be $15,708 per year in debt retirement. The threat would save the township $6,262.60 or $1.32/year for a resident with a $100,000 taxable property value. A $500,000 taxable value would save $6.60 per year if the threat from our supervisors was honored.

I would like to ask our supervisors: is your battle worth it? If we opt out of the fire services contract, is it worth $5, $10, or $20 per year savings to have inferior service? The mandate of only paying for half would save our wealthiest residents less than $10 per year.

According to your threats to the City of Pelican Rapids, you would save that much and more in gas and time, to not be required to honor the goods and services of DL, Vergas or Barnesville because of the fire protection they would provide.

There are some times where it makes sense to pay for a service rather than own it. I think that this is one of those times.

Donald Beck, Dunn Township Resident

Is It Worth It - a response

You are correct, Don, the city charges a fee for their service. A fee Dunn has always paid, and is happy to continue to pay. This issue, for about the 100th time, is not about service. It is about the city's attempt to have those to whom they provide service also pay for THEIR fire hall.

By the way, we have every right to tell the city what we will pay for fire service. As in all businesses, if we don't like the price, we can look elsewhere. However, for the 101st time, this is about the fire hall, not about fire service.
'It has to cause delays in protection'. I'm surprised, Don, that you would stoop to innuendo and vieled threat. Death and tragedy, you say. As is said; 'show me the money'. Document your assertion. If you can't, then zip it. I've talked to these fire departments, have you? Or are you just joining in the attempt to scare the residents of Dunn. That's easier than doing your homework and coming up with facts, isn't it, Don.

It will cost Dunn $439,412, under the city's current proposal to build them THEIR fire hall. You can slice it and dice it any way you want, $439,412 is the number. And by the way, for the 102nd time, this is over and above the cost of service, this is Dunn's cost of THEIR fire hall. This is fact, not innuendo or veiled threat. By the way, Don, next time I need to buy a truck, I'll come and see if your approval of a 'plan' by which the owner (me) only has to pay 30% of the cost is still open. If it's good enough for the city, it's good enough for me and I'll sign up. Funny, I'll bet I won't find many takers, will I.

Is our battle worth it. This is about fairness to EVERYONE, documented by numbers. Not Pelican's idea of fairness FOR everyone else. And, for the 103rd time, this is not about fire service, this is about the fire hall.

Mike Johnson, Dunn township

Still, Is It Worth It

My question to you and everyone else is still is it worth it. In your comment, you mentioned the total cost to Dunn Township was $439,412. This figure is spread out over 20 years and will still cost the owner of a $100,00 piece of property 38 cents a month or $91.20 over 20 years.

Most of the people that will foot the bill for the $21,970.60 are unaware of the situation. The few that I have spoken with have no problem with helping to pay for a new fire hall based on the minimal cost to them.

When you look at the big picture Dunn Township property owners are paying $439,412 over 20 years. Reality is, we are paying a minimal amount on a yearly basis for fire protection and a building and no matter how you negotiate things, or try to improve things there are minimal cost savings involved and a possible compromise of fire protection.

It seems to me that you have gone all in to a pot that will not win you a lot of money.

Donald Beck, Dunn Resident

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

I would like to know how you can say that what Mr. Beck is stooping to vieled threat, it sounds a lot like reality to me. The reality is this, if you take on the 5 year old mentality that if you dont get your way your going to take your toys and play elsewhere, it is possible that the potential for further loss and "tragedy" that Mr. Beck referred to could become a reality. To ignore this FACT is doing, in my opinion, a great diservice to the residents of Dunn Township. I would think your letter is the one that people are going to intrepret as a threat or ultimatum towards the City of Pelican Rapids. As the one that is representing the residents of your township you should listen to THEIR concerns and not tell them to zip it. Some people are not blinded by the bottom line and look further into what THEY feel is more important. Instead of kicking sand in the city's face, why don't you extend a hand and say thank you to them for helping support all of the institutions in our small community that protect, serve and come to yours and my aid 24/7 365 days a year.

Anonymous said...

What doesn't the Dunn Township Board get?

In summary, it appears that the City of Pelican Rapids provides the operational, functional aspects of the fire department. Techically, the city owns the fire department. In return, the city fire department provides their services to the surrounding townships on a paid contract basis. Part of the amount each department pays to the city goes to help pay for operational costs. Yes, these costs should also include an increase to pay for an up-to-date facility. The townships are paying for the department's cost of doing business. It is not set up like a "fire association" where each township has ownership in the fire department. This is not an option here. While this may work in some areas, why does Dunn seem to think this will work in our area? If our local fire department had to answer to many different entities, including Dunn, I would suspect that many volunteers would leave the fire department. I would especially think that would happen with the way some Dunn Township Board members are acting. Come on Men, how old are we?

Dunn Township fails to recognize that this fire department will never be a "fire association". Just get over it, Dunn. Where's the common sense in their decisions? They may claim they want to see "proof" that using another fire department would lengthen response times. Why should anyone have to prove common sense? Would you rather wait for 20 minutes or more for another fire department to arrive at a motor vehicle accident near Dunvilla or wait less than 10 for the PRFD. Remember Dunn, it could be you or one of your family members in this car accident. At times, minutes do matter! I sure hope I'm not the one in the car accident in Dunn Township.

If I was a Dunn Township resident, I would be furious with the lack of responsive leadership shown by the Dunn Township Board. I also pity the poor soul who has to pay sharp increases in home owner's insurance. Also, Mr. Johnson, you don't tell a resident of your township to "Zip it"! It purely shows your agenda and ignorance.

I applaude the City of Pelican Rapids and Chief Trevor for their hard work in the fire hall project. We have a fire department that we can be proud of.

Anonymous said...

Read the piece in Wed DL paper, Mr Johnson dosent make any sense to me. It will cost Dunn more to switch to DL than stay and help pay for a new hall in PR. What is the point of all this B.S.

Anonymous said...

After reading all the discussions on Dunn Township, the question comes to mind - What is Mr Johnson afraid of? His argument against the Pelican Fire Department seems to come from something personal against Pelican vs the reality of Safety and of Dollars and Sense. I think enough has been shown it will be more expensive to the township to go with another service, then add to that the increase in everyone's insurance premiums due to a change and you have cost yourself more money than you first imagined. That is why I come back to the question - what do the Dunn Township Supervisors have against Pelican Rapids?

If you are a resident of Dunn Township and would like to see Dunn township stay with the Pelican Fire service, I encourage you to call your supervisors, write letters and send e-mails - you have the voice and they need to listen to you!!!!

If you haven't talked with your insurance agent to see what would happen to your insurance with a change, I encourage you to do so - that may help you in your decision to become more vocal in this by contacting your supervisors.

Anonymous said...

I am confused by Mr. Johnson. What city is listed on his address? I believe it is Pelican Rapids not Dunn Township or Detroit Lakes. Why is he trying to pretend that Dunn Township is something that it isn't. Mr. Johnson you are NOT the mayor. I was at the meeting Tuesday I witnessed Mr. Johnson say one thing and then claim he never said anything about it. He also stated that he checked into it, and we residents of Dunn township really have no say as to where we get our fire service from. He said that we will all be allowed to vote on the issue. He also stated that they would decide based on how the township felt not how each individual on the board felt. Do I believe that? NO.
I saw his "double speak" for lack of a better term. I think he will vote how he wants if he wasn't going to do that why is he threatening as he is?
Why can't each house be charged a flat fee say $30.00 a year everybody in the city of Pelican Rapids and the surrounding townships. Everyone pays the same. For some it would be more than if it were taxed according to their property value, for others it might be less. But for those who dwell on being fair you have to draw the line somewhere.

Anonymous said...

The ambulance service for Pelican and surrounding Townships charges a fee per resident based on the latest census information; perhaps that's the best mechanism to pay for the Fire Service.

Anonymous said...

I am so ebarressed by the fact that some outsider has moved into Dunn township and is making all the calls. Merle Miller was chairman on Dunn for about 12 years. I talked to Merle many times about the fire issue and he was behind the PR fire hall all the way. I'm sure he is looking down righr now and wondering what could have happened to Dunn in 6 short months. Come on people of Dunn. wake up and don't let a couple of peple that no one evens knows give you such a black eye. Dunn is beoming the laughing stock of nearby townships as well as the community.

Anonymous said...

To the supervisors of Dunn Township you are not only causing a rift between Pelican and Dunn but also between the people of Dunn. Is all this really worth it the Pelican Fire Department needs a new building, so what if we don't get a say in what is going to happen, none of the other townships are worried about it. When it comes to lives money isn't anything, it can't bring someone back if they are killed in a fire or an accident.